Recently I received a heads up on the existance of the site http://www.forsakethetroops.info, from several of my friends.
I went there and read the inane, deceitful, and singularly hate filled diatribes there, and experienced the most powerful RCOB moment I have had in my memory. I was so angered by what I read there that I was unable to post a coherent post about it.
Luckily, my nephew over at the Slaughterhouse could and did write a reasoned post. Go there, read what he wrote and follow your own consciounce(sic). I agree wholeheartedly with Slaglerock.
There are times when free speech just becomes an expression of unreasoned hate, and should be exposed to the world to see, and to provoke a response against it. The ONLY difference between he and I is that I WILL call the site owners scumbags, for that term describes them perfectly.
I received information on Michael Crook who runs the website mentioned. He previously had another website called CATT (Citizens Against The Troops) and he prvious hosting company shut it down on him. Below is a portion of the email I got throught the Vets Mailing List.
To: The Planet Abuse Dept.
From: An American Citizen
Phone Number To Call and complain 214.782.7800
Fax Number To Fax This Email 214.782.7756
Please Copy the text below and forward it on to abuse@t.heplanet.com. Print it out and fax it to them as well. Then take a few moments to call them and tell them how disgusted you are.
This email/fax is to report that the website hosted by “theplanet” located at www.foresakethetroops.info with the IP address of 70.85.56.166 is extremely offensive to Active Military members, their families and to all Veterans who have served their country with honor and pride.
According to The Planets acceptable use policy located at http://www.t.heplanet.com/legal/aup.html under Internet Etiquette it states. “The Customer is not permitted to post any material that is illegal, libelous, and tortuous, indecently depicts children or is likely to result in retaliation against Company by offended users.
While although the information placed on www.forsakethetroops.info may be perfectly legal, I find it extremely offensive and I am retaliating against your company, www.t.heplanet.com for allowing the content of www.forsakethetroops.info to exist. What is even more appalling is that The Planet allows this content while our nations finest are currently at war
It appears that doing a whois look up does not provide any information regarding who maintains the website www.forsakethetroops.info. Therefore since the IP address belongs to The Planet, it is assumed that the company is responsible for the offensive content of the aforementioned website to include the content of the following link www.forsakethetroops.info/marine.html
The information at http://www.forsakethetroops.info/ is information we should know. Admitedly the writer is angry and upset but what can people expect when the election is stolen from them to proceed with an illegal war.
Posted by: milo at April 26, 2005 07:24 PMWhy is it ok for *you* to excercise *your* free speech to criticise what *he* does, but not ok for *him* to excercise *his* right?
Free speech either works *all* ways, or it doesn't work at all. That is, after all, what the US military is supposed to fight for - or have they dropped the oath soldiers take to protect the Constitution [you know, that little thing that guarantees freedom of expression]?
Posted by: Eoghan Ryan at April 28, 2005 01:03 PMlisten, Crook is a hyprocrite... he himself censors us service members when we wanna give him a piece of our own mind. Heres his censor disclaimer: "Because of the ignorant actions of a few, who can't express their opinions without obscenity, insults, and disrespect, the message board requires that you register to read or post. Also, the guestbook is now moderated. Amazingly, no one is trying to voice their opinion. It's surprising what happens when anonymity is taken away. Peoples' balls fall off. There's free speech, folks, but only to a limit, and it has been abused..we have been abused. Disagree with us, fine, but do it with respect and couth." So it sounds like he can bash people like me with insults and disrespect and get away with it...and when people like me bite back, he reserves the right to censor us... does that sound right at all? NO!
Posted by: ADAA Ryan. Y at April 29, 2005 01:40 AMWhat can you expect when we had an illegal president send troops into an illegal war. Congress was never asked to 'declare war', so it's illegal. We were also lied to about the reasons for going to war. We have George Bush junior who never served a day in his life in active combat and served in the national guard back in the Vietnam days when EVERONE knew that guard duty was the rich man's way of DODGING THE DRAFT. Bushie's rich papa enabled him to dodge the draft to Vietnam. Of course now, you have millions of people very upset with Bush and the military.
If you want to blame someone, the blame lies solely at W's feet.
Fighting some stupid nonsense war over in Iraq, in no way protects or garauntees my rights of free speech or any other freedom expressed in the U.S. Constitution. Why the hell aren't we fighting all the other horrendous dictatotors in the world???
Blame George for this upset guy who built this upset website.
-bd
Posted by: bd at May 3, 2005 12:59 AMThat dolt Michael Crook IS NOT against the war...he's against the TROOPS. He is an army basic trainee wash out. He even wrote about his "military experience" and how he regrets his decision not to appeal when they booted his rear for fraud. Can't blame Bush for a guy who hates the troops. The military has been around ALOT longer than Bush and will be around long after he is gone. All you have to do is go check out his site to see just what a loser Michael Crook is. Go to forsakethetroops and see his idiotic ramblings. Go to his personal site michaelcrook.com and see for yourself what a brainless wonder he is. Or better yet, go to his 'wife's' site sillygoose109.com and read her moronic ramblings. Can't blame anyone for these people being as stupid as they are. Michael Crook is a self proclaimed gay nazi wanna be who admittedly got the crud beat outta him by his ex wife. Yeah, he's a winner i'd stand up for.
Posted by: diana at May 20, 2005 08:36 AMall of you Bush haters need to be ashamed of yourselves. It's punitive minds like yours that are what's wrong with the united states today. take into consideration the people that have saved lives overseas. Yes, we all know you are still bitter about losing the election, but just for a moment, let's pretend you're adults. When's the last time You had the responsibility of leading a country? Hmommm, you think you know everything there is to know about the situation overseas? Have you been there? Half of you haven't set foot outside the perimeter of your hometown or city. life is about experience, so the next time You're president of the united states, let us know how it goes. The next time You're putting that military uniform on knowing that you're going to save someone's life today or help a country develope into the 21st century, by all means, speak your mind. But until then, why don't you try educating yourselves with fact instead of fiction. As for everyone else that is proud of calling themselves an American, don't even worry about michael crook. he's nothing but a spineless man who's lost his ba**s and his 15 min of fame will be over with soon. as for all you supporter's of him, we're not worried about you because all we have to do is look at your source.
Posted by: kim, USAF at May 26, 2005 08:12 AMMichael Crook got kicked out for fraud and that is too funny! What a whiny-BITCH he is. He was challenged to a fight by, get this, a 60 y.o. Vietnam Vet but Crook declined! What a fvcking pussy. A poster child for the Libs!
Posted by: GunnyG at May 31, 2005 05:49 PMThe sh*t-eating liberal's site got shut down. The Planet acted fast and nuked the piece of sh*t.
Posted by: Devil Dog at May 31, 2005 05:58 PMI think this website business is as offensive to my American (not to mention HUMAN) sensibilities as anyone else does.This Crook guy is an insult to America not to mention a very sad mixed up human being. I would feel sorry for him if I didn't hate him so damn much. After all, I call myself a liberal. If you listen to the comments of many on either liberal or "conservative" sides of the political aisle, you'll find that they generally agree. The guy has no place among decent folks. What the reader will not see however, are sentiments such as: "That Crook guy is a right wing plant to make Democrats and civil libertarians look foolish. Those lunatic fringe hate mongering wingnuts think they're gonna provoke us into calling them inbred meatheaded retards who are married to their sisters. Those goddamn low rent trailer trash neocon redneck, red-baiting, snake handling jerks only have a IQ of 13 between them. Those gun-happy, ned -beatty-raping assholes must think we're all as poorly spoken and ill informed as they and their poorly spoken, draft dodging, coke snorting, alcoholic leader. The wingnuts are coming, boys, run for the hills- I hear banjo mus
ic!!"
I realize that those to whom I addressed those comments didn't get my point, so I'll explain: We can disagree on issues and still be neighborly , patriotic Americans. If all one can do to support one's position is to smear the landscape with perjorative opinions of one's opponents, I don't hold out much hope for their point of view. If that's the best they can do, they have my sympathy. Americans are generally smarter than that, last fall's elections notwithstanding. You know who you are and so does America. Nevertheless I wish you peace because you're my neighbor. Oops- sorry I said the "p" word. I'll go wash my liberal mouth out with soap now. Shame.