August 08, 2011

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I'm sure that you have all heard of the recent tragedy in Afghanistan where our country lost some 30 (25 of them SEALs) of the highest trained and toughest fighters we have during a Specops mission.

Facts have been few and confusing as to the time line and nature of just what took down the helo that contained these brave men. But now a couple of items have come out that just don't make sense.

No. 1 The helo involved was a National Guard CH47 TRANSPORT.

No. 2 The helo had 25 SEALs aboard her. SEALS usually operate in teams of no larger than seven to nine members. They would normally NEVER have more than nine men on any single transport.

No 3 SEALs would normally use a MH-47E/G helo for a mission of this type; in fact , the Army 106 SOAR unit was especially formed to be the SEALs main transport group.

No 4 MH-47E/G Helos of the 106 SOAR unit were sitting idle on the ground at the purported time of the operation.

No 5 The NG group had been In-country for less than two weeks...WHY was a green NG unit flying back-up on a SPEC-OP? All due respect to the NG, but they are NOT trained up to the level that a SPEC-OP mission requires, that is what the Regular Army 106 SOAR group is specially trained for.

No 6 CH47 Transports would never be used on this type of mission, and there would never be so many SF troops on one transport, unless someone high enough in the chain of command ordered it; someone high enough that an underling refusing such an order would be in great peril of ruining their career if they refused the order.


From a tip given by an anonymous aviation soldier in the area:

"Almost immediately, after news of the crash began to spread, we were placed in an internet and phone blackout. This means communication with family, friends and "others" back home, in real time, is prevented until further notice.

However, there are also chinook pilots, crews and mechanics assigned here who were privy to the details of the crash almost immediately. One of confirmed details they have been discussing is that the chinook shot down belonged to a National Guard unit. Which is causing people to whisper in astonishment, "why were some of the most elite of America's military, in such large numbers, tooling around on a National Guard aircraft?"

Also, those around me are wondering why such a large number(extremely unconventional for Seals, Green Berets, etc) of them riding in a single aircraft instead of being spread out into numerous aircraft.

Without question, I mean no disrespect to the pilots and crew of the National Guard aircraft, but the fact is that it's very "strange" that Seals would be conducting an actual mission, with such large numbers, in such a basic aircraft. Especially, given the fact, that there were special operation chinooks easily available, and sitting idle, when this tragedy took place."

The differences between the CH-47 transport and the MH-47E/G helos are like night and day. The latter could be likened to the bank vault at a major bank in terms of survivability, while the former would be a home safe you buy at Wal-Mart for $49.95 in the same terms.


I'm no expert, and I wasn't at the scene, but these are serious questions that must be answered. We ask for great sacrifices from these brave men and women, it is our duty to ensure that they are operating with the best equipment and under the sanest ROE's possible.

Posted by Delftsman3 at August 8, 2011 02:07 PM | TrackBack
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